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+number: 806
+title: "The King of Drag and Drop: Alex Reardon"
+date: 1723183200000
+url: https://traffic.libsyn.com/syntax/Syntax_806_final.mp3
+youtube_url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjGn0HahbDE
+guest:
+  name: Alex Reardon
+  github: alexreardon
+  twitter: alexandereardon
+  of: Atlassian
+  url: https://www.atlassian.com
+  # A single social Link:
+  social: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexreardon
+---
+
+Scott and Wes talk with Alex Reardon from Atlassian about developing drag-and-drop libraries, specifically the challenges with creating efficient and accessible drag-and-drop functionalities for the web. They also explore what it takes to build and implement a system that works seamlessly across various frameworks.
+
+### Show Notes
+
+* **[00:00](#t=00:00)** Welcome to Syntax!
+* **[01:18](#t=01:18)** Brought to you by [Sentry.io](https://sentry.io/syntax).
+* **[01:51](#t=01:51)** What Alex does at [Atlassian](https://www.atlassian.com/)
+  * [react-beautiful-dnd](https://github.com/atlassian/react-beautiful-dnd)
+  * [Pragmatic drag and drop](https://atlassian.design/components/pragmatic-drag-and-drop/core-package/)
+* **[04:38](#t=04:38)** What makes drag and drop tricky.
+* **[06:38](#t=06:38)** Use-cases.
+* **[10:54](#t=10:54)** What security is in place?
+* **[12:30](#t=12:30)** How to make it feel native.
+* **[19:20](#t=19:20)** Is the drag and drop spec ongoing?
+* **[20:03](#t=20:03)** How do you build this headless? 
+* **[21:33](#t=21:33)** How does drag and drop work with frameworks?
+* **[23:48](#t=23:48)** Making drag and drop feel the same across mobile and desktop.
+* **[26:09](#t=26:09)** What's the key to really good drag performance?
+* **[29:58](#t=29:58)** How do you make drag and drop accessible?
+* **[34:57](#t=34:57)** Pragmatic drag and drop code vs application code.
+  * [Shoelace](https://shoelace.style/)
+  * [shadcn](https://shadcn.com/)
+* **[40:00](#t=40:00)** How does testing work?
+  * [Playwright](https://playwright.dev/)
+  * [Cypress](https://www.cypress.io/)
+* **[43:15](#t=00:00)** Internal adoption at Atlassian.
+* **[44:27](#t=00:00)** Working on high-impact projects.
+* **[49:15](#t=00:00)** Versioning and internal adoption at Atlassian.
+* **[51:29](#t=00:00)** Sick Picks + Shameless Plugs.
+
+### Sick Picks
+
+- Alex: Coffee, [James Hoffmann YouTube Channel](https://www.youtube.com/@jameshoffmann).
+
+### Shameless Plugs
+
+- Alex: [Dom Events](https://domevents.dev/).
+
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