How to tank sensitivity even further and other questions.

[HolyChrist]

This is a reboot of a thread I made on an account that was nuked (temp email used ;))

I see that stick sensitivity can only go to .5 bit can it go lower? If not, what is the limitation? Other areas of the software allow for settings as low as .01, but sensitivity of stick under radial option doesn’t. If set to axial, then both X and Y can go to .1 I think. (Going from memory since I am not in front of my PC)

1. Does the sensitivity cancel out custom Bézier curve ? Or vice versa?

2. How does sensitivity interact with or cancel out “Max zone” or “anti deadzone” settings? If at all.

3. Does a game like rocket league ignore DS4Windows input somehow, if values are set a specific way ? (This is a super deep question and I’m aware it could be a big rabbit hole). Sometimes it feels as if changes I make Are not being noticed in game. Maybe it’s just placebo.

4. Does reducing sensitivity actually limit the final value of the sticks or just slow them down? Example: in Rocket League the car has a certain turning radius. I still want to be able to use the full radius of the car, I just want it to get there slower.

5. Some settings such as Max Zone (I think, going from memory) allow for a 0.00 value. Does this mean a true 0.00 or is this just indicating that the setting is turned off or cancelled out?

6. Ultimate goal is extremely low sensitivity in game. Lower than the in game sliders might allow if DS4Windows wasn’t being used. But without compromising the overall/total ability of the stick, just to make it slower and more precise. I need it to respond immediately, but I want it to go at a snails pace when I do so.
   I understand deadzone and that is not what I need to adjust.

7. Does windows have a floor/ceiling when it comes to stick sensitivity that might somehow be limiting DS4Windows and that is why only .5 is achievable.

I hope I’ve been clear and someone can help me understand these things thanks everyone.

[Masamune3210]

I can answer 3 at least, if you have HidHide enabled the game only sees what is input by the virtual controller, DS4Windows applies any modifications it needs to to the real controllers inputs before outputting them to the virtual controller, so there is no way short of snooping specifically in on DS4Windows to see any modifications that are being done

As far as the game is concerned, what it sees from the virtual controller is what you are inputting

[HolyChrist]

So I don’t think I have HIDHide and I will try it certainly. The other questions remain.

[Ryochan7]

1. No. The order of the modifiers is set in the code. Looking at that routine, the sensitivity modifier is applied before the Beizer curve is applied. If you do not want the Sensitivity setting to affect the output from the Beizer curve then you need to keep the Sensitivity at the default of 1.00.

2. Max Zone and Anti-Dead zone are applied before the Sensitivity modifier. Sensitivity is a carry over from the old DS4Windows when the other options did not exist. Using Max Zone and Anti-Dead zone offer more control over the final output and should be used. I edit those settings in most profiles especially since the preferred Anti-Dead zone is dependent on the dead zone set in the game.

3. Rocket League is probably detecting both the physical DS4 and the virtual controller. You need to use HidHide to hide the input controller from the system so Rocket League will only detect the virtual controller exposed by ViGEmBus.

https://github.com/ViGEm/HidHide

4. It will limit the final output if set below 1.0.

5. Not even sure how it would behave if you would set Max Zone to 0.00 for some reason. Ideally, that should mean that any registered input will equal 100% output. Pretty much would make the analog stick a dpad.

Edit: Double checked and it does work as expected. Any input outside the assigned dead zone counts as maximum output.

6. I find that bumping up the smallest output (Anti-Dead zone) really helps with increasing overall control. Editing Dead Zone and Anti-Dead zone would be the most helpful and then maybe edit the set Max Zone depending on if you want a shorter range for the final output.

7. I believe it was an old arbitrary limit that was kept in. It could be changed but the limit would probably be changed to 0.1. I would use the other settings that are available rather than changing the Sensitivity setting.

[HolyChrist]

The man himself. Thank you. I’m going to try and digest some of these points better because some confusion still remains for me lol. First thing is that I certainly need to make sure and get HIDHide working and guarantee the game is not detecting two controllers.

1. I’ve seen you address the overclocking of controllers before but I think it was from a long time ago. Do you still not recommend doing that? Does overlooking being something to the table that will be missed or is it a negligible feature in your opinion?

2. Does the use of the OC software interfere with Ds4windows in any negative way? Would using HIDHide, the OC program, and DS4Windows be a recipe for disaster? I can do some experimenting in this area for sure.

3. The Bézier curve I use is a custom one that is basically U shaped. From memory my values are something like 1.00, -999.0, 1.0-999.0. Essentially my curve is not visible on the chart when you click the “custom” button to view the tool. I’m not sure how low the values can be set, but the software doesn’t give me an error unless I put a negative value on the first “1.0” of each stat. I love my curve but would love it to be even slower. Do I have the correct approach here?

4. Rocket league as an obsession has me in a narrow window of focus. Obviously other games are exist. People swear to me they do not use DS4Windows when playing rocket league but I find that I hate the game without DS4Windows running. I don’t know if it’s placebo or if there’s a real effect but I love the options it gives me vs just the generic in game sliders.